MentholMoose wrote: ↑
02 Oct 2019, 02:29
It is pretty straightforward. Look for any plastic that rubs against other plastic and lube both. On the DC TS the weakest link is the spring catch (it's yellow or green, depending on the TS revision, and hard to miss). I would imagine it is similar for the SS TS. The grease can be applied liberally without issue.
As for the lubricant, lithium grease is cheap and works well in my experience. It was recommended to me by an arcade operator. In recent years I switched to Molykote 44 Medium
. It costs significantly more but I think it lasts longer.
Do I need to disassemble the grips (I'd rather not, lol, but if you feel they should be lubed I will totally do it), or is the spring catch part of the stick assembly below, like where the square gates are? (below the switches, near the actuators? or is it the Start button?)
Also, is it true that you can't play ACMVO with a twin stick configuration? (setting aside the fact that they technically don't exist yet) I've been reading the old threads here. If that's the case, I wish I had known, because I never would have bought it.
BTW I already got the TS working on my PC, during lunch. When I finish work today, I will complete the configuration and will be playing VOOT and VO Force in no time! I'm using a Sega Saturn to PC adapter, which makes the PC see the TS as a dinput controller, and I have a CronusMax Plus adapter which can capture the inputs from a PC controller (the twin stick), via the X-Aim Plugin, and sends them to the console, so that's the trick!
Edit: An added benefit to using X-AIM is that since the twin stick doesn't have all the buttons that a modern controller has, you can use the regular controller you used to authenticate on the console to do things like pause and hit the guide button. You just have to go into Options on X-Aim and uncheck "Ignore CM Controller Input" from the drop down.
Basically the flow is:
- The CM+ (which is a USB dongle) connects to the X1/360/PS3/PS4
The authentication controller/pad is plugged into the USB port on other end of the CM+ (with a micro USB cable for X1/PS4). Xbox 360 REQUIRES a wired controller, because the Play & Charge carries no data (luckily I have a cheap Gamestop one, bought to play PSO2 on PC). This is to pass the check that you're using an official controller
Twin stick plugs into the computer (via the Saturn box...which is plug & play btw....no drivers)
A mini USB cable connects to the Prog port on the side of the CM+, and the other end goes to the PC (I use my old Rock Band hub). This is how the controller communicates with the console.
Edit 2: It works!
OK, I'm pretty sure I haven't played this game in 10 years (my achievements are all from '09), and maaaaaaaaan am I rusty. I can't even remember how to do Temjin's surfboard move. Boo! I assume I should relearn how to play this one before I try VO: Force?
Well.....I guess I solved the Saturn to Xbox 360 conundrum! (and
Xbox 1, and
PS4) As long as you don't mind spending $100 to do it! ($20 for the Saturn adapter and $80 for the CM+) Fortunately I actually saved
money, back when I got my CronusMax, because it allowed me to use my $250 PS3 Hori flight stick on Ace Combat 7 on X1, instead of having to buy an identical $250 X1 Hori flight stick.
A couple notes:
- I'm using the Mayflash 2 player Saturn to PC box, because that's the one I heard someone confirm works with the TS. If you have a Dreamcast twin, I believe an EMS Trio Linker Plus II would let you do the same.
This particular model has an xinput dinput switch. I only vaguely understand what that is for, but I know X-Aim uses diput
They all seem to have a particular quirk of having both a POV direction and a button mapped to the d-pad (which is the right stick on the TS) To prevent any potential mapping issues, I used an x360 controller to map the D-pad in my X-Aim profile (to the XYAB buttons for Type B Control, because it's the right hand stick), and then just unplugged it and put the TS back in to map the rest.
The TS Start is mapped to the X360 Back button, because that's what it was already mapped to in my options from my old Quickshot twin stick I built back then.
The TS 2 turbos are the L3/R3 "stick click" buttons, and weapons are the LB/RB buttons
I use 2 USB extension cords (one from the computer, one from the Xbox) so I can keep the CM+ nice and safe on the coffee table. I never took the twist tie off the Saturn box USB cable, because it conveniently plugs right into the PC extension cord on the table. This also means it's only a couple feet away, so I have plenty of TS cord to reach the couch.
Now I'm ready for the compilation that's coming on PS4!