Shooting through bombs
Posted: 25 Jun 2014, 19:55
I did not know until recently that quite a wide variety of attacks can shoot through bombs! How many of you guys already knew?
Shooting through bombs seems to be determined by the priority of your projectile. It's the same priority that is referenced when two projectiles collide to determine which shot survives, or if they just pass through or cancel each other out. Projectiles tend to have a global priority but in rare cases the priority might change depending upon what they go up against. For example, Angelan ice mirrors are destroyed by bombs but are able to block any other shot in the game.
I think that almost all bombs have equal priority to each other even though their other properties may vary tremendously. In particular I tested several variations of Temjin bombs, Grys-Vok standing LW napalm, and crouching LW for double napalm, with spot tests on other things like Grys-Vok back dash RW mushroom clouds and Fei-Yen pink heart bomb explosions. Bomb explosions pass through each other so bombs are a basic method of penetrating other bombs. But most types of bombs don't shoot through, they just make another bomb on the same spot.
There are a few bombs that have zero priority so the explosion is only for looks or damage. Examples are AphS LTCW and crLTCW, or hyper Fei-Yen crLTCW explosion splash. They don't block anything, which is a good thing because they have enough ammo to repeat those attacks without recharging. Hyper Fei-Yen standing LTCW explosion splash seems to have an extremely low priority. It blocks a few piddly attacks, but for the most part it can also be considered to block nothing as even most plain standing RWs penetrate it.
There are no hard general rules for which projectiles have enough priority to penetrate typical bombs but turbo and crouching attacks are more likely to work. Most dash attacks do not work, however for many mechs forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, and backward-diagonal dash crRW work.
I tested all moves for the following mechs and came up with a list of attacks that go through bombs. There may be errors so contributions and corrections are welcome.
Temjin: RTLW, crLTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, crLTRW, crRTRW, forward dash crCW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW bombs, surfboard, and spinning sword)
Grys-Vok: all LTLW, all LTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, all LTRW, all RTRW, forward dash crCW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, all side dash RW, all backward-diagonal dash RW, all back dash RW
(also has LW napalm and numerous other kinds of bombs and explosions)
The actual projectiles for jumping LTCW, back dash RW, and back dash crRW travel through bombs, not just their explosions. Only the initial projectile of all side and backward-diagonal dash RW variants travels through bombs, not the cluster missiles they later split into. The crRTCW and forward dash crCW nukes also go through bombs, but the super nuke doesn't and will detonate immediately if you fire it while you are inside an enemy's bomb.
Raiden: crLTLW, all LTCW, all RTCW, crLTRW, all RTRW, all dash crLW, all back dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW ground mines and bombs)
Fei-Yen: all LTLW, all RTLW, crLW, crLTCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, forward dash crLW, forward-diagonal dash crCW, side dash crCW, backward-diagonal dash crCW, pink-only all back dash RW
(also has CW heart bomb explosions for some variants, with more variants while hyper)
It's worth noting that 5.66 Fei-Yen got damage alterations to all her dashing RWs except for hyper Fei-Yen's side, backward-diagonal, and back dashes which they forgot to update. That's probably why the back dash RWs only penetrate bombs with pink Fei-Yen. Also worth noting is that all Fei-Yen's forward dash LWs do increased damage in 5.66 but only on the pink Fei-Yen. So it actually does more damage pink than hyper now, but only when straight forward. Only forward dash crLW penetrates bombs, and it does penetrate when hyper too.
Cypher: RTLW, jumping RTLW, LTCW, jumping LTCW, crCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, air forward-diagonal dash CW, air side dash CW, air backward-diagonal dash CW
(also has RTCW bomb explosions and SLC dive)
Angelan: crRTCW, crLTRW, jumping LTRW, all RTRW
Specineff: all RTLW, crLW, all LTCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, all dash crLW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has sliding board)
10/80 SP: RTLW, crLTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, crLTRW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, forward dash crCW
(also has LW bombs and gliding ram)
Bal-Bados: all RTLW, jumping CW, all crRW, all forward dash LW, forward-diagonal dash LW, air forward-diagonal dash LW, backward-diagonal dash crLW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW
(the same applies for attacks launched from set ERLs or the pyramid)
Dordray: crLTLW, jumping LTLW, RTLW, crRTLW, all LTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, LTRW, RTRW, crRTRW, all dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has rushes and select RW bomb explosions)
All dash CW means all air, regular, and crouch dash CW attacks.
Stein-Vok: all LTLW, all RTLW, LTCW, jumping LTCW, all RTCW, all LTRW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, air back dash LW, forward dash crCW, air forward-diagonal dash CW, air side dash CW, air backward-diagonal dash CW, back dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW bombs)
This arsenal is the result of stealing other VR's attacks that happened to go through bombs. Funny how back dash CW penetrates bombs since it came from Raiden's back dash CW laser cage, even though it's a regular dash laser on Stein-Vok. Meanwhile all his RTLW projectiles pass through bombs, whereas on Temjin whom they are stolen from, only standing RTLW goes through and the rest detonate on other bombs. Stein-Vok's special giant ball also travels through bombs.
Apharmd C: all LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, crLTCW, crRTCW, jumping RTCW, all LTRW, all air dash LW, forward dash crCW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and flying kick)
As before, when LW napalm or bomb weapons are listed that means the actual projectile travels through other bombs. Strange that only Apharmd aerial LWs travel through bombs while the same is not true for other VRs, though it makes little difference anyway since these are themselves bomb attacks.
Apharmd B: all LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, crLTCW, crCW, all RTCW, all LTRW, all air dash LW, all dash crCW, air back dash RW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and flying kick)
Apharmd S: crLTLW, jumping LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, all CW(L), jumping RTCW(R), all LTRW, all air dash LW, all forward dash CW(L), all back dash CW(L), forward dash RW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and shoulder ram)
Generally speaking just the left side missile of CW penetrates bombs. All CW(L) means any CW attack that is not a dashing attack, which are listed later. This includes the special crLTCW(L) planted missile, which penetrates bombs but has terrible priority versus anything else, as even standing RWs can shoot it away. An exception is standing LTCW(L) since that move does not exist, though the input does reduce energy gauge use. Only the initial projectile of jumping RTCW(R) travels through bombs, not the cluster missiles it splits into.
Ajim: all LW, all CW except jumping CW, crLTRW, crRTRW, all dash LW, all dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW homing ball bomb explosions and self-destruct nuke)
Shooting through bombs seems to be determined by the priority of your projectile. It's the same priority that is referenced when two projectiles collide to determine which shot survives, or if they just pass through or cancel each other out. Projectiles tend to have a global priority but in rare cases the priority might change depending upon what they go up against. For example, Angelan ice mirrors are destroyed by bombs but are able to block any other shot in the game.
I think that almost all bombs have equal priority to each other even though their other properties may vary tremendously. In particular I tested several variations of Temjin bombs, Grys-Vok standing LW napalm, and crouching LW for double napalm, with spot tests on other things like Grys-Vok back dash RW mushroom clouds and Fei-Yen pink heart bomb explosions. Bomb explosions pass through each other so bombs are a basic method of penetrating other bombs. But most types of bombs don't shoot through, they just make another bomb on the same spot.
There are a few bombs that have zero priority so the explosion is only for looks or damage. Examples are AphS LTCW and crLTCW, or hyper Fei-Yen crLTCW explosion splash. They don't block anything, which is a good thing because they have enough ammo to repeat those attacks without recharging. Hyper Fei-Yen standing LTCW explosion splash seems to have an extremely low priority. It blocks a few piddly attacks, but for the most part it can also be considered to block nothing as even most plain standing RWs penetrate it.
There are no hard general rules for which projectiles have enough priority to penetrate typical bombs but turbo and crouching attacks are more likely to work. Most dash attacks do not work, however for many mechs forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, and backward-diagonal dash crRW work.
I tested all moves for the following mechs and came up with a list of attacks that go through bombs. There may be errors so contributions and corrections are welcome.
Temjin: RTLW, crLTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, crLTRW, crRTRW, forward dash crCW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW bombs, surfboard, and spinning sword)
Grys-Vok: all LTLW, all LTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, all LTRW, all RTRW, forward dash crCW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, all side dash RW, all backward-diagonal dash RW, all back dash RW
(also has LW napalm and numerous other kinds of bombs and explosions)
The actual projectiles for jumping LTCW, back dash RW, and back dash crRW travel through bombs, not just their explosions. Only the initial projectile of all side and backward-diagonal dash RW variants travels through bombs, not the cluster missiles they later split into. The crRTCW and forward dash crCW nukes also go through bombs, but the super nuke doesn't and will detonate immediately if you fire it while you are inside an enemy's bomb.
Raiden: crLTLW, all LTCW, all RTCW, crLTRW, all RTRW, all dash crLW, all back dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW ground mines and bombs)
Fei-Yen: all LTLW, all RTLW, crLW, crLTCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, forward dash crLW, forward-diagonal dash crCW, side dash crCW, backward-diagonal dash crCW, pink-only all back dash RW
(also has CW heart bomb explosions for some variants, with more variants while hyper)
It's worth noting that 5.66 Fei-Yen got damage alterations to all her dashing RWs except for hyper Fei-Yen's side, backward-diagonal, and back dashes which they forgot to update. That's probably why the back dash RWs only penetrate bombs with pink Fei-Yen. Also worth noting is that all Fei-Yen's forward dash LWs do increased damage in 5.66 but only on the pink Fei-Yen. So it actually does more damage pink than hyper now, but only when straight forward. Only forward dash crLW penetrates bombs, and it does penetrate when hyper too.
Cypher: RTLW, jumping RTLW, LTCW, jumping LTCW, crCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, air forward-diagonal dash CW, air side dash CW, air backward-diagonal dash CW
(also has RTCW bomb explosions and SLC dive)
Angelan: crRTCW, crLTRW, jumping LTRW, all RTRW
Specineff: all RTLW, crLW, all LTCW, all RTCW, crRTRW, all dash crLW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has sliding board)
10/80 SP: RTLW, crLTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, crLTRW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, forward dash crCW
(also has LW bombs and gliding ram)
Bal-Bados: all RTLW, jumping CW, all crRW, all forward dash LW, forward-diagonal dash LW, air forward-diagonal dash LW, backward-diagonal dash crLW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW
(the same applies for attacks launched from set ERLs or the pyramid)
Dordray: crLTLW, jumping LTLW, RTLW, crRTLW, all LTCW, RTCW, crRTCW, LTRW, RTRW, crRTRW, all dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has rushes and select RW bomb explosions)
All dash CW means all air, regular, and crouch dash CW attacks.
Stein-Vok: all LTLW, all RTLW, LTCW, jumping LTCW, all RTCW, all LTRW, crRTRW, jumping RTRW, air back dash LW, forward dash crCW, air forward-diagonal dash CW, air side dash CW, air backward-diagonal dash CW, back dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW bombs)
This arsenal is the result of stealing other VR's attacks that happened to go through bombs. Funny how back dash CW penetrates bombs since it came from Raiden's back dash CW laser cage, even though it's a regular dash laser on Stein-Vok. Meanwhile all his RTLW projectiles pass through bombs, whereas on Temjin whom they are stolen from, only standing RTLW goes through and the rest detonate on other bombs. Stein-Vok's special giant ball also travels through bombs.
Apharmd C: all LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, crLTCW, crRTCW, jumping RTCW, all LTRW, all air dash LW, forward dash crCW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and flying kick)
As before, when LW napalm or bomb weapons are listed that means the actual projectile travels through other bombs. Strange that only Apharmd aerial LWs travel through bombs while the same is not true for other VRs, though it makes little difference anyway since these are themselves bomb attacks.
Apharmd B: all LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, crLTCW, crCW, all RTCW, all LTRW, all air dash LW, all dash crCW, air back dash RW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and flying kick)
Apharmd S: crLTLW, jumping LTLW, all RTLW, jumping LW, all CW(L), jumping RTCW(R), all LTRW, all air dash LW, all forward dash CW(L), all back dash CW(L), forward dash RW, forward dash crRW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW napalm and bombs, and shoulder ram)
Generally speaking just the left side missile of CW penetrates bombs. All CW(L) means any CW attack that is not a dashing attack, which are listed later. This includes the special crLTCW(L) planted missile, which penetrates bombs but has terrible priority versus anything else, as even standing RWs can shoot it away. An exception is standing LTCW(L) since that move does not exist, though the input does reduce energy gauge use. Only the initial projectile of jumping RTCW(R) travels through bombs, not the cluster missiles it splits into.
Ajim: all LW, all CW except jumping CW, crLTRW, crRTRW, all dash LW, all dash CW, forward-diagonal dash crRW, side dash crRW, backward-diagonal dash crRW
(also has LW homing ball bomb explosions and self-destruct nuke)